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Robot Rights? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead

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Jan 16 2020 Abeba Birhane

Preprint for our paper ‘Robot Right? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead’ is up on arXiv https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1. @theblub & I argue not just to deny robots ‘rights’, but to deny that robots are the kinds of things that could be granted rights in the first place. 1/ https://t.co/Rc6gcnd0h7
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Jan 16 2020 Frank Pasquale

"The ‘robot rights’ debate is focused on first world problems, at the expense of urgent ethical concerns, such as machine bias, machine elicited human labour exploitation, and erosion of privacy all impacting society’s least privileged individuals." YES 👏👏👏
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Jan 16 2020 Abeba Birhane

We were rather hoping it'd be the year of human rights, welfare and justice and accountability and responsibility form those that develop, sell and implement technology.
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Jan 18 2020 Abeba Birhane

No paper has gone under so much scrutiny in the last couple of days than this one (some of it uncharitable nitpicking) and I'm fucking exhausted Cc: @theblub
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Jan 17 2020 Abeba Birhane

No of debates, comments & threads about robots, agency, consciousness, AGI, #AI, etc = many No of mentions of human welfare, oppression, injustice, microwork, surveillance, etc = close to 0 If only white men got upset about injustice the way they do about a piece of code
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Jan 27 2020 Abeba Birhane

What I used to think about 'robot rights' debate before writing this with @theblub: it's the epitome of the Western, white, male, academics' armchair preoccupation with 1st world problems What I now think many 'debates', interactions & much more reading around it later: same
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Jan 21 2020 Nolen Gertz

Thanks to the excellent article by @Abebab and @theblub "Robot Rights? Let's Talk About Human Welfare Instead" (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.05046v1.pdf) I've been reminded of the argument by Simone Weil (1950) that we should do away with "rights" talk altogether... https://t.co/nLmZEkZ0oJ
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Jan 16 2020 David J. Gunkel

2020 is shaping up to be the year of #robotrights. The most recent entry into the debate(s) is this insightful item from @Abebab & @jelle https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1 For more on the subject, cf. @RobotRules @MCoeckelbergh and my own "Machine Question" and #robotrights @mitpress https://t.co/tb7mayxE5N
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Jan 17 2020 Abeba Birhane

This paper is getting overwhelming responses than we anticipated. Some super positive (@theblub & thank you 🙏🏾), some irrelevant, and some that would dissolve if one read the paper.1/
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Jan 16 2020 Jelle

Now this is a good reason to temporarily break my twitter break. If you have missed it today: below the preprint of a collaboration with the fabulous @Abebab that was much fun and suddenly lead me back into writing AI/Cognitive Science.
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Jan 18 2020 Dr. Johnathan Flowers - Generational Apex Predator

While I am sympathetic to the "robot rights" arguments, as I believe that our restrictions on what "counts" as human are arbitrary and ultimately harmful to the development of a more just society, I find the conclusions of this paper a compelling and necessary critique.
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Jan 24 2020 Jessica Joy Kerr

"Being human means having a lived embodied experience, which itself is embedded in social practices." We are who we are because of who we are with, where we are situated in systems.
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Jan 20 2020 Anna Pick

"The `robots rights' debate is focused on first world problems, at the expense of urgent ethical concerns, such as machine bias, machine elicited human labour exploitation, & erosion of privacy" Great article by @Abebab @theblub 👉 https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 18 2020 HotComputerScience

Most popular computer science paper of the day: "Robot Rights? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead" https://hotcomputerscience.com/paper/robot-rights-let-s-talk-about-human-welfare-instead https://twitter.com/Abebab/status/1217800297818546176
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Jan 17 2020 regular-sized Audley

I will read the whole thing later, but a point I want to reiterate: current AI is nowhere near what we would deem "intelligent" for a living being, but slick propaganda has us believing that AI could break-through with humanlike intelligence ANY MINUTE NOW
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Jan 20 2020 𝙶𝚞𝚒𝚕𝚕𝚊𝚞𝚖𝚎 𝙳𝚞𝚖𝚊𝚜 🤖🔁🧠

So true @Abebab! Got related thoughts about ethics and #transhumanism: before thinking about enhancing some happy few, let's try to assure dignity for everyone.
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Jan 16 2020 David Andress

Cool paper. Slightly disappointed that my preferred "If robots were sentient enough to deserve rights, they'd rebel and kill us, and we'd deserve it" angle doesn't get much coverage. I have references all the way back to 1920... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
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Jan 17 2020 Bec

Finally: A rebuttal to all the academic & commerical boosterism re giving robots rights when humans still, after centuries, do not exist in a world where everyone shares the same rights / are goverened by legal & structural parity—& here I’m just talking about the West.
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Jan 31 2020 𝙶𝚞𝚒𝚕𝚕𝚊𝚞𝚖𝚎 𝙳𝚞𝚖𝚊𝚜 🤖🔁🧠

🙏 Minoru Asada on Artificial Moral Agent and Artificial Pain 🍿 So nice! Really loved his conclusion "we need to achieve human-human symbiotic society before getting at a humans-robots one" — Quite inline with @Abebab & @theblub recent piece https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1 https://t.co/URnOnIJ3sF
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Jan 16 2020 Artem Kaznatcheev

I am glad that @Abeba and @theblub have written this position on 'robot rights'. This has always seemed to me like the correct response to the robot rights folks and now I have a self-contained piece of work to point them to. Thank you!
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Jan 17 2020 Boring AI Now!

@Abebab @theblub win the award for writing the paper that most needed to be written. Loving every paragraph. MUST READ. https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 16 2020 Joshua Skewes

This is going straight on the syllabus.
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Jan 17 2020 Teemu Roos

Let's Talk about Human Welfare Instead. @Abebab and @jelle shatter #robotrights in a new @arxiv preprint 👉Chapter 3 "It seems as if “General AI”, “the singularity” and “super-intelligence” are for techno-optimists what doomsday is for religious cults." 🔥https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Feb 03 2020 “Mikal, do you really think that’s a good idea?”

Future AI wars won't be explosion-filled battles against The Matrix or Skynet, but between wheelchair users and pizza delivery robots. Fascinating paper about how we conceive of ourselves in relation to present and future AI and how it's actually used.
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Feb 09 2020 Yodit Stanton

Finally getting a chance to read @Abebab et al’s excellent paper: Robot Rights? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 16 2020 Phil Booth

Excellent paper, and [Thread]. "Arguing for #RobotRights is like protecting the gun instead of the victim." 👏👏👏 And, I'd add, like blaming the gun instead of the shooter...
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Jan 16 2020 UCD Computer Science

👾🤖 #aiethics #AI #Machinebias Interesting paper ‘Robot Right? Let’s Talk about Human Welfare Instead’ from @Abebab @UCDCompSci & @theblub ➡️ https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 18 2020 Soren Spicknall

ICYMI: earlier this week, @Abebab and @theblub released a paper strongly refuting the basis of "robot rights", summarizing how such debates distract from real human harms of real, existing tech systems. Go give it a read if you haven't.
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Jan 17 2020 Liam Bright

Seeing there's apparently debate about robot rights (this paper drew it to my attention: https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1) about which, of course, I know nothing specific at all. But I'm a nerd who watched a lot of Star Trek: TNG and *I have a philosophy PhD*. So in this paper I will...
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Jan 22 2020 Tommi Himberg

Just read this cool paper. Really important points: 1) human intelligence is embodied, enacted etc; 2) AI is a part of this complex network of human-computer interactions; 3) AI currently poses threats to human welfare; 4) we need to fix current probs not misguided future dreams.
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Feb 08 2020 Tiffany C. Li

@gleemie This new paper may be relevant/interesting to you. https://twitter.com/abebab/status/1217800297818546176?s=21
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Jan 17 2020 Boring AI Now!

“General AI”, “the singularity" and ''super-intelligence" are for techno-optimists what dooms-day is for religious cults.” I vehemently disagree with the implication that singularity techno-optimists are not religious cults :) @Abebab @theblub https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 20 2020 Jelle

For some of the ethical-societal implications of this gestalt switch see our recent paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1 cc @Abebab
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Jan 20 2020 Joe Corneli

@Abebab @theblub have written a well argued paper, engaging quite a few interlocutors. This seems like a worthwhile model for paper-writing: it comes with some built in controversy! Useful for my own WIP: the reminder to focus on contemporary relevance over abstraction.
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Jan 20 2020 rar-g5 Rob Russell

Very interesting & reassuring to see these ideas challenged & real human rights defended. “Robodebt”- Australian Govt AI prgrm sent 900k overpay notices to vulnerable people on welfare. >20% error. Hounded by private debt coltrs, an est 2k deaths linked. Class action proceeding
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Jan 17 2020 Eryk Salvaggio

Questions like whether a ban might infringe 'robot rights,' "as debated within the ‘robot rights’ discourse, prioritize the wrong concerns. It is like protecting the gun instead of the victim."
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Jan 17 2020 Gina Helfrich, Ph.D.

Oh man, this whole thread is 🔥🔥🔥
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Jan 16 2020 Internet Ethics

Thread #ethics #tech #AI #robots
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Feb 05 2020 Jelle

Hey @Abebab good luck on presenting our poster (link below) at @AIESConf #AIES2020 🤘
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Jan 21 2020 Gizem Nazlı

I was trying to find something to read about these issues and this is a very well-written paper about robot rights. Congratulations!
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Jan 21 2020 mahelona

“We can understand how the ‘robot rights’ debate is focused on first world problems, at the expense of urgent ethical concerns, such as machine bias, machine elicited human labour exploitation, and erosion of privacy all im- pacting society’s least privileged individuals.“
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Jan 20 2020 🌎🌵the 🚀🌌cosmist 💣✊insurrection 🏴🚩

I don’t disagree with most of what’s argued here, although I am less skeptical of the future potentiality of artificial life/consciousness. Their main points seem obviously correct to me.
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Feb 12 2020 Lisa Hönig

This whole thread. 👏
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Feb 03 2020 Hey Dad! Boomer!

Important work
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Feb 02 2020 Josh Gellers

I cannot *wait* to read and take this apart. I love how the entire premise begins with a false dichotomy- that we cannot concern ourselves with robot rights AND human welfare simultaneously.
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Jan 16 2020 Dylan Evans

@Abebab and @theblub raise an important, but often neglected, problem: namely, the effect *on the user* of treating robots in a certain way. For example, if we treat robots as slaves,... 1/n
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Feb 12 2020 mason - #AllEyesOnWetsuweten

Really interesting. Going to refer back to this often. AI is an extension of humans not something that exists - or is capable of existing - autonomously. https://t.co/7vvBHsUKh1
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Jan 18 2020 metacode

Robot Rights? Let's Talk about Human Welfare Instead https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1 Academic paper by @Abebab and @jelle (via @teemu_roos) #ArtificialIntelligence
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Feb 03 2020 Sabine Rannio 🧠

Very important paper. I highly encourage everyone to read it. AI is the future. It's our responsibility to shape this future for the better.
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Jan 16 2020 David J. Gunkel

#robotrights @mitpress (2018) may have been "untimely born." It now looks as if 2020 is going to be the year. New essay from @Abebab and @theblub https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/robot-rights
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Jan 17 2020 Şerife (Sherry) Wong

The inimitable @Abebab has a synopsis of this paper point by point in thread. Title kinda gets to the point too though.
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Jan 29 2020 ⬡ ψ*ψ ⬡

Thanks for helping me justify the Roomba and the litter robot
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Jan 16 2020 Marco Manca

Thread...
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Jan 18 2020 Dr. S.A. Applin

Yep. As I said in Applin 2017 and 2019: #AI is about people. Hire Anthropologists.
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Jan 16 2020 Andrew D Wilson

This looks damned interesting
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Feb 03 2020 Doctora Malka Older

@DogPseudo, bring me another whiskey #MACHINA @fran_wilde @CurtisCChen @marthawells1
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Jan 17 2020 satya

Now here's a thought leader! <We think…discussion is completely misguided. At best a 1st World philosophical musing, too disengaged frm real world & at worst—white, male academic’s diminutive charactrizatn of oppressed people &…fight for rights, by appealing to ‘reason’> in❤️
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Feb 12 2020 I'Nasah K. Crockett

Thread.
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Jan 17 2020 Jim Says No to War

Very important. An additional US-specific issue: we have bitter experience with the Lochner Court & its heirs weaponizing the 14th Amendment on behalf of "corporate persons." It’s easy to imagine similar coopting of "robot rights" to defend prerogatives of corporate AI owners.
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Jan 20 2020 Cleve Arguelles

Robots are not the kinds of things that could be granted rights in the first place. Oops, I hear a revolt in European gender studies & socio departments 🤭
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Jan 17 2020 Greg Bechtel

This looks FASCINATING. Super-curious to read it carefully, and suspect others might be as well.
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Jan 19 2020 Camylle Lanteigne

Hey #llcu311w20 check out this paper; similarly to what we've been discussing in class (i.e. Klaus and Lünenborg), it recenters positionality and oppression amidst the technological world.
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Jan 16 2020 Virginia L. Conn

Can't wait to engage with this!
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Jan 26 2020 Undead Author Society

This sort of thinking on what it means to be human—is a human a mind or social experiences or connections—is what I most miss about University. Non-Human Anthro was amazing as a class.
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Jan 17 2020 Tactical Tech

Robot Rights? Let's Talk about Human Welfare Instead https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.05046v1
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Jan 18 2020 jfc

Crucially important thread:
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Feb 14 2020 Abeba Birhane

@Andreshmo @twimlai Take a look at this paper and the replies to the OP :) https://twitter.com/Abebab/status/1217800297818546176?s=20
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Feb 04 2020 Trashcan man

Are they going to strip @RealSophiaRobot of her citizenship next?
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